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collecting_society - Konzept #691: Usecases and structure for copyright owners
https://redmine.c3s.cc/issues/691?journal_id=2503
2018-11-05T14:21:50Z
Alexander Blum
<ul><li><strong>Related to</strong> <i><a class="issue tracker-14 status-5 priority-2 priority-default closed" href="/issues/665">Datenbank #665</a>: New objects</i> added</li></ul>
collecting_society - Konzept #691: Usecases and structure for copyright owners
https://redmine.c3s.cc/issues/691?journal_id=2508
2018-11-05T14:32:35Z
Alexander Blum
<ul><li><strong>Related to</strong> <i><a class="issue tracker-4 status-5 priority-3 priority-high3 closed" href="/issues/692">Konzept #692</a>: Do we need/want release contributions?</i> added</li></ul>
collecting_society - Konzept #691: Usecases and structure for copyright owners
https://redmine.c3s.cc/issues/691?journal_id=2510
2018-11-05T14:33:51Z
Alexander Blum
<ul><li><strong>Description</strong> updated (<a title="View differences" href="/journals/diff/2510?detail_id=3063">diff</a>)</li></ul>
collecting_society - Konzept #691: Usecases and structure for copyright owners
https://redmine.c3s.cc/issues/691?journal_id=2524
2018-11-05T19:25:28Z
Meik Michalke
<ul></ul><p>the particular rightsowner of the release is the one addressed by §85 UrhG:</p>
<ul>
<li><a href="https://dejure.org/gesetze/UrhG/85.html">https://dejure.org/gesetze/UrhG/85.html</a></li>
</ul>
<p>it is not to be confused neither with the <em>authors</em> of the works on the release (composition & lyrics) nor with the <em>performers</em> of the particular interpretation, although the latter usually grant their rights (§77 UrhG, <a href="https://dejure.org/gesetze/UrhG/77.html">https://dejure.org/gesetze/UrhG/77.html</a>) to the label/publisher for actual production. these rights to the sound recordings are what usually is printed with a "℗" ("P" in circle, for "phonogram") on the cover.</p>
<p>the copyright for a release can also refer to the artwork and layout. it is usually printed with a "©" ("C" in circle, for "copyright") on the cover.</p>
<p>both can be multiple parties for one release, as joint releases are sometimes done, and rights can also be licensed to third parties.</p>
<p>the copyright for lyrics and composition is already defined with the works, it would be redundant to enter that again. they apply automatically to the release as a whole. depending on what you want to do with the release (play it publicly, perform one of the songs yourself, press more copies etc.) only some or all of the parties must be asked for licenses, it's therefore mandatory to record all of them separately.</p>
collecting_society - Konzept #691: Usecases and structure for copyright owners
https://redmine.c3s.cc/issues/691?journal_id=2525
2018-11-05T19:25:43Z
Meik Michalke
<ul><li><strong>Assignee</strong> changed from <i>Meik Michalke</i> to <i>Alexander Blum</i></li></ul>
collecting_society - Konzept #691: Usecases and structure for copyright owners
https://redmine.c3s.cc/issues/691?journal_id=2576
2018-11-07T01:38:37Z
Alexander Blum
<ul><li><strong>Assignee</strong> changed from <i>Alexander Blum</i> to <i>Meik Michalke</i></li></ul><p>As far as I have wrapped my head around - and to finally start some written specification on it ...</p>
<p>We have 3 different right subjects:</p>
<ul>
<li>authorship</li>
<li>copyright</li>
<li>performance (= ancillary copyright?)</li>
</ul>
<p>We have possibly several different right objects:</p>
<ul>
<li>music</li>
<li>lyrics</li>
<li>cover</li>
<li>layout</li>
<li>text (as in liner notes)</li>
<li>...</li>
</ul>
<p>We have the dimensions of</p>
<ul>
<li>Identification ("Right holder")
<ul>
<li>all 3 right subjects might be transferable or not, depending on the legal system</li>
<li>if transferred, the right is "represented/owned by" or "licensed to" (?) one or more parties (persons or companies, usually collecting societies/labels/producers)</li>
</ul></li>
<li>Accounting (utilization/allocation/distribution)
<ul>
<li>the distribution key is defined by the collecting society, e.g. composition/performance/text (similar to the old <a href="https://impwiki.c3s.cc/index.php/Verteilungsschl%C3%BCssel" class="external">impwiki page</a>), which already relate those 3 right subjects</li>
<li>depending on the type of utilization, different right holder want to be asked for permission and have a piece of the cake</li>
<li>what rights are relevant for distribution? what about e.g. those "flat rates" for publisher?</li>
</ul></li>
</ul>
<hr>
<p>I might be unsatisfied with the current (theory of) models of those things, because</p>
<ul>
<li>The concept of copyright owners as general pointer does not allow to track, <em>why</em> it is a copyright owner (hard to administer later on?)</li>
<li>We have different ways to express the transfer/representation of rights, e.g.
<ul>
<li>Creation Tariff Category -> Collecting Society</li>
<li>Creation Contribution / Performance -> Neighbouring Rights Society</li>
</ul></li>
<li>We have both implicit and explicit definitions of right subjects, e.g.
<ul>
<li>Creation Contribution / Composition -> authorship and Creation Tariff Category -> copyright</li>
<li>Creation Contribution / Text -> authorship + copyright</li>
</ul></li>
<li>We have different ways to model right objects, e.g.
<ul>
<li>Creation -> Music (full object)</li>
<li>Creation Contribution / Text -> Lyrics (field of "sub" object)</li>
</ul></li>
<li>We might have different kind of objects relevant for distribution (release contribution could be a step towards a more general representation)</li>
</ul>
<p>Everything might be ok, but there could be also issues with it - I'm just still not confident about it. We really better should talk about that.</p>
<p>For the sake of completeness, it should also be a focus to have a user interface, which is optimized both for</p>
<ul>
<li>those, who do "everything" on their own (publisher, label, composer, performer, etc point to one entity)</li>
<li>those, which need to enter all those complex details separately</li>
</ul>
<hr>
<p>Meik Michalke wrote:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>rightsowner of the release (<a href="https://dejure.org/gesetze/UrhG/85.html">https://dejure.org/gesetze/UrhG/85.html</a>)</p>
</blockquote>
<p>So - is the rightsowner of the release a right subject of its own or is it sufficient to express it in terms of "copyright for the release" (opposed to copyright for the creations, which is "auto"-owned by the authors and performers in the beginning, but may be transferred then)?</p>
<blockquote>
<p>it is not to be confused neither with the <em>authors</em> of the works on the release (composition & lyrics) nor with the <em>performers</em> of the particular interpretation, although the latter usually grant their rights (§77 UrhG, <a href="https://dejure.org/gesetze/UrhG/77.html">https://dejure.org/gesetze/UrhG/77.html</a>) to the label/publisher for actual production. these rights to the sound recordings are what usually is printed with a "℗" ("P" in circle, for "phonogram") on the cover.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>The last part referred back to possible copyright owner for a release? or is this a detail of the transfer of the rights of the performers?</p>
<blockquote>
<p>the copyright for lyrics and composition is already defined with the works, it would be redundant to enter that again. they apply automatically to the release as a whole.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>You mean for the creation on the release as a whole? or really the release?</p>
collecting_society - Konzept #691: Usecases and structure for copyright owners
https://redmine.c3s.cc/issues/691?journal_id=2577
2018-11-07T01:45:26Z
Alexander Blum
<ul></ul><p>Note: I edited the text.</p>
collecting_society - Konzept #691: Usecases and structure for copyright owners
https://redmine.c3s.cc/issues/691?journal_id=2578
2018-11-07T01:49:43Z
Alexander Blum
<ul><li><strong>Related to</strong> <i><a class="issue tracker-4 status-5 priority-2 priority-default closed" href="/issues/754">Konzept #754</a>: Tracking of membership of collecting societies?</i> added</li></ul>
collecting_society - Konzept #691: Usecases and structure for copyright owners
https://redmine.c3s.cc/issues/691?journal_id=2860
2019-03-16T19:49:50Z
Alexander Blum
<ul><li><strong>Status</strong> changed from <i>Feedback</i> to <i>Erledigt</i></li><li><strong>% Done</strong> changed from <i>0</i> to <i>100</i></li></ul><p>As I understand now, copyright owners of releases are about the right to copy and have nothing to do with contributions, so it needs to be an attribute on its own.</p>
collecting_society - Konzept #691: Usecases and structure for copyright owners
https://redmine.c3s.cc/issues/691?journal_id=3444
2019-10-08T13:37:10Z
Alexander Blum
<ul><li><strong>Target version</strong> changed from <i>2) Testing phase II</i> to <i>Repertoire 2) Testing phase II</i></li></ul>
collecting_society - Konzept #691: Usecases and structure for copyright owners
https://redmine.c3s.cc/issues/691?journal_id=3899
2019-10-08T13:52:36Z
Alexander Blum
<ul><li><strong>Project</strong> changed from <i>repertoire</i> to <i>collecting_society</i></li></ul>
collecting_society - Konzept #691: Usecases and structure for copyright owners
https://redmine.c3s.cc/issues/691?journal_id=4124
2019-12-10T15:39:05Z
Alexander Blum
<ul><li><strong>Related to</strong> <i><a class="issue tracker-4 status-5 priority-2 priority-default closed" href="/issues/858">Konzept #858</a>: Write specification for rights management</i> added</li></ul>